I must say first, that this is by no means a religious-themed blog. But I feel I should address a religious aspect of me being vegan, or rather how my faith influences this choice, as my faith encompasses and touches everything in my life, including my dietary decisions.
I belong to the Mormon faith, or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and have been a member of this church my whole life. I am active, and always have been active in my faith; holding callings (serving in various capacities in my ward), attending weekly church services, and practicing my religion in my home (scripture study, prayer, ect.). I tell this not to say, look how righteous I am, but rather to indicate that I do believe and ACT on my faith. Indeed I have a testimony of the doctrine(s) of my faith. This may come as a surprise to some Mormons, as being vegan AND Mormon cannot exist in their minds. And I don't understand why this is.
Let me explain.
If you're not LDS or familiar with this faith, we believe in what we call the Word of Wisdom. It is included in our canon of scripture, more in particular, in the Doctrine of Covenants. Essentially, it is a code of living, or rather a code of health that includes abstaining from tea, coffee, alcohol, drugs but it also includes the "do's" such as grains and herbs/plants are good for the body, and meat should be eaten sparingly, among other things. I recommend you read it for yourself and see what amazing counsel it is, especially considering that it was issued in the 1830's, long before any of the ill effects of tobacco, coffee, or alcohol were known.
If you're not LDS, you are probably thinking, where's the dilemma? Sounds like vegetarianism doesn't conflict with the Word of Wisdom, in fact it sounds like it lends itself to a plant-based diet, right? Perhaps, but in practice, the fact is, most LDS people are NOT vegetarians, and some are even supicious, wary, or even hostile of the thought.
[If you want to know more about how I respond to inquiries about the word of wisdom and vegetarianism, check out one of the comment sections from a prior post, here.]
I mention all this to you because I came across the most interesting essay that I highly recommend, especially if you are Mormon, that really outlines my feelings about the WOW (word of wisdom) and how it pertains to me being Mormon & vegan. I have never come across anything that so thoughtfully and objectively outlines the dilemmas and situations that Mormon vegetarians or vegans find themselves in. Specifically, that of feeling a little alienated at times by the fact that we chose not to eat meat yet, the WOW is very clear in supporting a diet based on plants with little or no meat. Further, I have yet to find a scripture in all of the LDS canon, that suggests that I must eat meat or animal products to obtain salvation, or to be a righteous latter-day saint. Yet as the essay points out, Mormon vegetarians/vegans can be met with some degree of hostility from fellow saints regarding their dietary choices.
To me, this makes no sense. An LDS person could be on the Atkins diet for example, or eat a wide range of extremely unhealthy junk/processed foods, or just eat the SAD (standard American diet) which is largely based on animal products, all options which are not healthful or wholesome, and is never questioned as to their following the Word of Wisdom. Yet, if that person were to chose to become vegetarian, they would find themselves being questioned left and right as to their commitment to the Word of Wisdom. I find this discrepancy a very perplexing issue.
I am able to relate to this man's experience outlined in his essay about going to church social/functions and seeing the gaping holes between the culture and the doctrine (at least what is presented in the WOW regarding meat, that is that meat should be used in times of famine or winter) as without fail, one or more of the following are always served as part of the main part of the meal: steaks, turkey, hams, hot dogs, hamburgers, or chicken.
Let me be clear. This dilemma in no way inhibits my Mormon faith. Rather, I understand that culturally we seem to be living something much different than what is suggested in scripture. But isn't this the case with so many aspects of the gospel? We are commanded to love our neighbor. Yet which one of us loves our neighbor perfectly? And we are commanded to love God with our whole heart, mind, might, and strength, yet again, which one of this does so? I suppose all I am saying is that the Word of Wisdom suggests we eat a diet primarily of plants, yet meat seems to be the staple for most of our meals.
It is never my wish to get into an argument or even heated debate with anyone about this issue. Really, my experience with others within my faith has been quite positive. That is not to say that I've had many in-depth discussions with other members about it. But rather, people's reactions have been one of politeness and acknowledgement. Like, "oh you're vegetarian, that's nice." And notice how I say vegetarian, not vegan. I find that using the word vegan is still much too polarized for people, and some don't even know what it is. Not only that, I don't particularly like labeling myself which usually lends itself to negative stereotyping, like "you're vegan? oh did you help burn down that fur factory last week?"
The bottom line is this. I believe that how you practice your religion is your business. In my case, I am Mormon and believe there are a few people within my realm who do it make it their business to know how I am living and how this relates to my spirituality. These people happen to be my spiritual leaders: my bishop and stake president. And thus far my experience with these people as it relates to being vegan has been positive. One bishop actually wanted to know more about incorporating a plant-based diet because he suffered from a number of health problems some of which included high blood pressure, obesity, high cholesterol. Another bishop said, "Oh I need to eat less meat and more vegetables." That's it.
People, fellow LDS saints no different, typically say, after hearing that I'm vegetarian, "Oh, yah, I don't eat very much meat either," or "I try to eat vegetarian a couple times a week," or "I really should be doing better with my diet."
It's funny to note that I get that "I don't eat very much meat" comment a lot, and I guess the amount of meat you think you are eating really depends on the person. Because someone saying that, may eat meat for only 2 meals instead of 3, or only use meat as a side dish with every meal instead of a main dish, which I think does not fit under the category of "not very much meat."
It becomes subjective when people use these very imprecise gauges, and what I would call an inordinate amount of meat someone else would call a "sparing" amount. But as mentioned before, I think it's clear what "sparingly" means: in times of famine or winter (and winter back in the 1830's did mean very few food options, not so today). Which really is in alignment with the fact that our bodies have no nutritional dependence on animal products (meaning we can survive, even thrive without them) but we are able to eat and digest meat and it does have some nutritional properties that can save our lives if we were ever in a state of starvation/famine.
I don't go around telling people to "put down that hamburger, you're not obeying the word of wisdom!" I would hope fellow saints would be kind of enough to do the same and not say, "put down your beans and rice and get yourself a steak, you're not obeying the word of wisdom!"
I understand for a lot of people they claim the "moderation in all things," argument, quoting this as scripture, which it is not, but rather a quote from Terance, a Roman comic dramatist. I think balance is good, but moderation can and does kill. Poison in moderate amounts, is still as deadly as poison in large amounts.
I think there are a lot of things we tell ourselves so we don't have to face the reality of certain situations. The truth, as they say, is hard to swallow sometimes. Not only that, but cultural traditions, especially as they relate to our diet, are deeply embedded and are often very difficult to change.
Finally, I would say to anyone who has objections to a vegetarian diet because they are Mormon to consider their own health. I find it interesting that a lot of these objectionists, are often themselves in a state of poor health due to dietary/lifestyle choices that could have been prevented by eating a more healthful plant-based diet based on those foods emphasized in the Word of Wisdom. Not that I go around judging people's health, this is simply my observation based on my encounters over the past 3 years as I have been vegan.
Whatever your dietary choices may be, it simply is not my business. If your LDS, as with any commandment given, it is up to you, the individual to study, ponder, and pray and decide for yourself how you will apply the knowledge and understanding given to you.
One last thought.
I believe in God. I believe that he wants us to be happy. I know that part of that happiness depends on how well we care for our bodies, as well as how we care for our fellow creatures (animals included).
Hi,
ReplyDeleteMy name is Courtney and I too am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. For the last year I have been trying to become a vegan, and I too have found so much opposition and negativity/ concern from other members about this choice.
I just want to thank you, because you have taken every thought in my head and clearly, calmly and accurately formatted this into words.
Thank You!
I admire your goals and lifestyle
God Bless
Courtney Thompson
I realize this post is "late to the game", but I am being baptized tomorrow as an LDS. I have been a vegetarian for 20 years and a vegan for two. I was delighted to read D&C 89:15 and the "scarcity and famine" quotes. I was a little concerned about how I would fit into my branch (only 25 active members!) as a vegan. And I have decided to do what I have always done. Live my life according to the principles I believe to be true - and let others see the results. If they are positive, hopefully, they will ask why. I agree with you on the observations of diet and health. So many of the branch's members are terribly, terribly overweight. To the point (for some of them) of almost being unable to walk...so, to answer your question as to whether you can be a vegan AND a Mormon....Gee, I hope so...! In fact, I'm staking a lot on it! Many blessing for your efforts - the animals thank you...
ReplyDeleteHi - my name is Rebecca and I am totally LDS, and I am also Vegan. I have problems saying this word to others because of the funny stares I get. My definition of Vegan is mainly no meat or dairy. I also stay away from GMO products and processed foods. So... I've used the term "vegan" trying to say that I eat as healthily as possible. I've read the word of wisdom over and over to try and be as healthy as possible. I'd like to read more of your posts. Sounds like we are a like.
ReplyDeletehere is a pretty cool ebook to read about vegetarianism, or veganism... Not saying what all in the book is true but intriguing to think about nonetheless and a very good read in my opinion! Just make sure you keep reading because for me the beginning was a little slow to catch me but by mid way into the 1st chapter I was hooked! www.thegate.us (there is the link to the ebook)
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ReplyDeleteI'm Janice and I've also been an active member of the LDS church my entire life. About a year ago I turned vegan, literally overnight. I caught the vision of the word of wisdom and realized for the first time that I had not been fully living the principles taught there nor had I been teaching my family the correct dietary principles. I eat a whole foods, plant based diet, no refined foods or junk foods. This is clearly what the Lord intended and to only eat animals when there is nothing else to eat such as when you can't grow crops in a time of famine.
Although there are members of the church who don't understand why I've made significant dietary changes, my experience has been most people are accepting and several are curious and want to know more. I've been very influential to others who have also changed their diet as they too are attempting to live their lives in accordance to the desires of our Heavenly Father.
For those few who seem to be full of negativity and "concern" I'm somewhat amused that they are worried about my health and well being and I thank them for their input. And leave it at that.
I love eating this way! I feel great and have more energy and vitality. I'm stronger physically and have greater mental clarity. All of my senses are heightened my compassion for others is deeper. My sensitivity to all things spiritual is greater. It has changed my life! I'm clearly healthier than I was a year ago.
Hello,
ReplyDeleteI have an odd question for you. Long story short, I bought scriptures for the first time the other day. I have been given scriptures, but after 16 years decided it was time for a new set. I have leather bound scriptures. I also have a cousin who is vegan in how he eats. But he still uses his leather bound scriptures and stuff like that. But this got me thinking, what kind of scriptures do vegans use? I know there are other scripture options besides leather bound ones. I hope this question doesn't sound ignorant. I am genuinely curious. I've been looking on line for someone who may have addressed this but haven't found an answer yet. I did like your post and think it's very informative and very well written. Thanks for your time :)
Hello! My name is Rachel and I just want to say thank you for making a blog about Veganism with a Mormon perspective. I have been wanting to do something similar for a while but haven't gotten around to it. Seeing everyone else's comments on here also makes me feel less alone. Keep it up!
ReplyDeleteHi, I am LDS and practically Vegan (no meat, dairy, eggs, or honey) and I am always happy to see members of the Church who live a plant-centric diet. I wanted to invite those who are on Facebook to the Mormon Vegetarians group: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_2247600845. I am also hoping to start some kind of Meetup group in the Salt Lake area for LDS vegetarians. Feel free to contact me at kpomeroy@gmail.com especially if you live in Utah.
ReplyDeleteI am totally inspired! Thanks soooo much for your post
ReplyDeleteMy name is Brodie, and I've been a Vegetarian for 4 years and just became Vegan (which I NEVER thought I'd ever do) last month. I love it, although I do miss Costco Pizza and eggs. Ha. Anyway, I randomly typed in "Mormon Vegan" into Google and your blog popped up first. I want to thank you for posting this. I haven't met another ACTIVE LDS member who is also Vegan. And to top it off, I'm also gay. However I am a fully active member of the church, I pay tithing every pay check, etc. Anyway, not to give you my life story, but I really related to being alienated from others, just for being Vegan/Vegetarian. I don't advertise that I live a homosexual lifestyle off the bat either. So it's sometimes difficult to do what I believe. Which is that animals have feelings, and just because they can't do everything we can, doesn't mean they deserve to be eaten because humans are too lazy to cook something without meat.
ReplyDeleteNice post. I do believe that animals are ordained for the use of man, but the blood of animals are required at our hand. (JST GEN 9:10-11). I take this to mean, "Animals are for your use, but use them wisely because you must answer for how you regarded the sanctity of their lives." My wife and I have been eating a vegan diet for about 5 or 6 years. We started by trying to live closer to the WOW, and it was clear to us meat is to be used sparingly, if at all. So, we experimented with no meat (We had been off dairy and eggs for a year already for other reasons.) now it has been a few years, and we're happy. I'm currently serving as a bishop, fwiw.
ReplyDeleteWhen asked about it by curious people, I generally refer to our diet a "a plant based diet, free from animal products." ive found this has less negative stereotypes than does the label "Vegan".
Blaine
Thank you for this. Last Friday I had a very spiritual experience and a very wise friend helped me to see the spirit of the Word of Wisdom and how it relates to eating meat. Not only the WOW but also helped me feel a greater reverence for animals who are God's creations and have a sacred life within them. I feel like I did when I found out the Church was true. I know the path ahead of me but I'm not quite sure how to proceed. I never imagined my life would take this turn. But where God guides, He provides and I know He'll help me along. Thank for your example.
ReplyDeleteCouldn't agree more. I have been vegan for three months since watching "Forks Over Knives" and it is strange how resistant mormons are to it. However, MUCH of the mormon outlook is governed by cultural outlooks too, so it makes sense in this light. Nothing about our actual faith discourages being vegan in any way, but everything about our culture does.
ReplyDeleteI'm BUMPING Susie's post about the non-leather scriptures! I'm a possible convert who is trying to find a quad bound in pleather/vinyl, canvas or other fabric/library-grade buckram. As it is I can't even have a nice set for myself because they seem not to exist in this fashion.
ReplyDeleteI've e-mailed the LDS Bookstore, Deseret Books, and some other LDS storefronts, but expect I may receive the Mormon Cone of Silence on the matter: http://ldsconversionconfusion.com/2010/03/26/the-mormon-cone-of-silence/
I've read it all in paper form years ago, but it's very off-putting to not have a reasonable alternative, especially since the Old Testament directive of humans having animals for their own use made since in primitive times, but like a lot of OT material, has been overturned by the New Testaments (i.e. - forbidding the eating of pork, et al). Wrapping up God's Word in a sheath of dead flesh is a rather ironic and disturbing idea!
Surely someone out there knows of a resource I can turn to; otherwise I'll be carrying around very tattered paper-bound copies the rest of my life.
Anonymous: I'm sorry I can't be of more help because I don't have any answers about the non-leather scriptures. I still have the same set (leather bound) from high school and haven't bothered to check into getting something different. I agree with you about the idea of wrapping up God's word in what used to be an animal is a little disturbing. Definitely fit's well with OT times when animal sacrifice was the way things were done, but doesn't quite mesh with our current times, does it?
ReplyDeleteI'd like to say something. I am life long devout LDS. One of my passions is healthy eating, nutrition, & the Word of Wisdom.
ReplyDeleteThere is a difference between VEGAN & VEGETARIAN. There are different levels of vegetarian, & the WOW doesn't say it's wrong. But becoming total vegan IS a different story. The scriptures tell us specifically that fowl & flesh of the earth ARE for the benefit of man.
While I DO believe it's ok to not consume meat (& if you do, it needs to be extremely sparingly - which is how we do it) - - - I do NOT believe becoming a complete Vegan follows the WOW.
That means you will be getting ZERO benefit from any animal products, including dairy, eggs, etc.
Read a copy of "The Word Of Wisdom - A Modern Interpretation", by Elder John A. Widtsoe (an apostle). It specifically addresses this issue, & it says if you do not eat meat, you MUST consume enough dairy/eggs to get the other required nutrients your body requires.
I'm all for no dead animal meat or very little dead animal meat. But PLEASE people, if you don't consume dairy or eggs or any animal product at all, do more research from an LDS point of view. Please.
Heavenly Father blessed us with these beautiful animals & I am so grateful I found the book by Elder Widtsoe (as well as many entries in the Journal Of Discourses & from past prophets/leaders) on the subject of WOW/nutrition.
VEGETARIAN = OK
VEGAN = PLEASE NO!
Hi, I am not vegan or vegetarian...yet, but I am LDS and have been my entire life. I find it sad that members of the church would openly criticize other peoples right to eat what they want, especially when your way is so much closer to the WOW then the SAD diet that most people follow!
ReplyDeleteFor the last month, I have been doing a lot of research into diet. I decided within about a week of research to switch my family to a whole foods diet with A LOT less meat. As my research continues I keep finding more things that I want to incorporate or do away with. This has been difficult in a lot of ways with my family, but as I make these changes I try to teach my kids WHY we are no longer buying Lucky Charms, for example, or eating things with artificial dyes, or processed sugars and High fructose corn syrup.
As I have started to make the changes I realized that we were actually following closer to the Word of Wisdom than we EVER have. I have been seriously contemplating about trying to make the switch to vegetarian, but it's gonna take a little more time for me to learn more and have more practice preparing meals without meat since it is such a foreign concept from what I was raised. I appreciate the help that you give through your blog to those who want to understand it better and to make the switch. Right now, I need all the help that I can get to understand cooking and food prep for a plant based diet, whether it's vegan or vegetarian.
Now, in reference to what Jenn said above about Vegan's not following the Word of Wisdom...
I went back and reread D&C 89 again, just to double check on what she said, it says:
12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 89:12 - 13)
I understand where she is coming from on them being ordained for our use, but it still says only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine. It is also talking about the flesh of the animal, not the product. It says nothing about what the animal produces such as eggs or milk. There are plenty of people that cannot have cows milk, for example, does that mean they are not following the Word of Wisdom? Of course not.
Some people don't like eggs, are allergic to them, or choose not to eat them. Are they wrong for making that choice? No.
I personally, see nothing wrong with a persons choice to be vegan, and I definitely do NOT agree that they are not following the word of wisdom. Sadly, they are following it closer than probably 98% of the members of the church.
The calcium found in cows milk cannot even be used by our body and actually promotes osteoporosis (I know totally foreign from what we have been taught). Believe it or not...the statistics of the rise of both cow milk consumption and osteoporosis are not coincidence. Cow's milk is perfect for calf's, just like any mother's milk is perfect for her baby...of the same species. Calcium is readily available from plant sources, and is absorbed 10 times (if not more) easier.
Not to mention, the fact that many studies have shown that a diet of animal protein of only 20% (most people eat/drink WAY more than that) is the perfect breeding ground for cancer related diseases. It basically feeds the cancer, whereas plants do not.
All this coming from someone who is NOT a vegan, or a vegetarian, but actively working on becoming one. Heavenly Father has blessed us with these beautiful animals and they are way more useful in ways then just eating them or using their milk or eggs. Without going into tons of detail because this is already long enough...Animals are great for the earth and growing things. God made things the way he did for a reason, sometimes we just need to remind ourselves what that reason was!
Whole Foods Vegan Momma, the link to the interesting essay you mentioned is not working for me. Could you try posting a link again? Thanks! I'd love to read it.
ReplyDeleteKaren - a whole foods vegan grandma
Hi my name is Kevin and I really enjoyed this post.
ReplyDeleteI have been LDS for 29 years and about 3 years ago became vegan after receiving my own personal revelation on the topic following a re-read of D&C 89. I had just discovered I had cancer at a younger age and in my patriarchal blessing I've been told I have the ability to solve my own problems so I took it to the Lord and hey presto I found my problem!
I have suffered plenty of grief equally from members & non members alike and I've realised that I was becoming a bit preachy about things (only because I was so excited about the improvements in health I wanted to share) so I pulled back with some of my comments as I was Bishop at the time too. However people are curious and ask me questions frequently and I have no problems sharing the knowledge I've gained with them. I've read probably in excess of 100 books on diet and the evidence is quite compelling towards a plant based diet free of animal protein being the the one that is the best for humans. As a Home Teacher I have helped one of my families who had a problem with diabetes with the knowledge I've gained, and my wife and I have even run classes at a Ward level and for a Stake Activity on healthy food options which went amazingly well so it's not been all bad : )
Luckily for me after getting a huge amount of grief initially from my wife & kids about refusing to eat meat or drink milk even they too have studied the topic themselves (to try and talk me out of it) and now we are all vegan except for a body builder son who is still stuck in the 'animal = protein' mentality but given time things may change especially given he's at a higher risk of prostate cancer at an early age as I was.
In terms of my health I've truly never felt better and have I have a giggle when I read 89 and it states "shall run and not be weary" as I started running again after 20 years to do something with the bursts of energy I experience. My sleep has changed (I only need around 5-6 hours of sleep), my allergies have disappeared so too has arthritis I was developing in a shoulder, I think with more clarity and as a result I know it sounds weird but I feel a greater love for all creatures and whilst this journey started off as a health related one I now truly believe the animals are here for so many other reason that just to be eaten!
Part of the promise for being obedient to the WOW is that we can find 'wisdom and great treasures of knowledge even hidden treasures' and I can honestly say that this is how I feel in terms of all this knowledge being there before but it was just hidden to me.
I do at times feel compelled or prompted to share my experiences and I like the comment from the gentleman who said he qualifies his position by stating he's on a plant based no animal protein diet as this is more or less what I state too but if I'm labelled vegan that I'm fine with that too. So far we have a good number of friends who've studied the info too and have changed their eating patterns which gives me a buzz as I truly believe it will benefit them too.
Thank you for the post and great to see all the comments.
Karen: I believe that website has changed & I've had no success finding the original site. I'm still looking for it (it was such a great one), but I plan on revisiting this post & updating it soon, to make it a bit more relevant & current (since it's been 3 years since I posted on the subject!). Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
ReplyDeleteKevin: Thank you for sharing! I'm working on updating this post & would love to share some insights from a few readers who are LDS & vegan, & would love to have you contribute your thoughts if you're interested.
ReplyDeleteIf you (or anyone else who is LDS & subscribing to these comments) want to contribute a few of your thoughts/experiences that I could use as a part of a greater post, send me an email: janae(dot)wise(at)gmail(dot)com. Thank you so much!
I am so happy to have found your blog. I am a vegan mom as well, and started a blog a while back. I am so glad to not be alone in this!
ReplyDeleteAllison: So glad we found eachother. I checked out your blog, too. How fab you are. Looking forward to getting to know, & I too am glad I'm not alone in this :)
ReplyDeleteThank you for this post. I am also a vegan and LDS, and I have found comfort here because I too have encountered much criticism for what way of life allows me to feel closer to God and more perceptive to all things spiritual.
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